What follows is stitched together out of three emails sent to me by Jon Leon in response to my last post:
Because I've been thinking on these things you mention in your most recent post, and aside from the biggest factor of money and time, they play a big role in my decision to quit as editor of Wherever We Put Our Hats, I will attempt to respond to your question of anxiousness in the poetry culture. I agree it seems things are moving very quickly. When I started working on WWPOH in December of 2004 there weren't any journals in Atlanta. Now, in the space of a year, there are three, with Coconut and the forthcoming Skyrocket Gospel. And the long-time non-mainstream Atlanta Poets Group seem to have become friends with the Lucipoets, bringing about an even greater attention to the area, as well as Bruce Covey's hard work in getting poets into town at Emory. Perhaps Atlanta could be one example of a larger burst in national activity. With things like this happening all over the country, it is inevitable and necessary that the questions you're raising now become common until we can figure this thing out, if ever we can.
What it seems like to me is that competition is ruining people. And journals and MFA programs and blogs and book publishers are ruining people, no matter which side of the bed they roll out of.
You say:
I'm trying to figure out what exactly the relation is between 1) the dominant organs of poetic publication and recognition (e.g., university-based journals, large publishing companies, various incarnations of the literary "establishment" such as Poetry Magazine, etc.), and 2) the residual and emergent poetic community of "independent" writers and venues that positions itself at least implicitly outside the first category.
But you are forgetting about the third category. Which is the non-category that will define the future. From my point of view your category 1 doesn't exist. They in no way influence challenging or progressive poetries. The first poetry I ever read was in Lungfull!, Columbia Poetry Review, and Longshot. I never even knew mainstream existed. To me category 2 is the mainstream and they are getting boring-er by the minute. And I think more and more category 1 is looking at category 2 to imitate for credibility.
I'm trying to coherently put into words what I've only felt intuitively and forcefully. I'm having some trouble, but I will conclude until I can speculate later that it seems your Category 2 is not defining what's good in poetry but what's cool, and further that they are not exempt from the same ruthless ambition the mainstream possesses. Doesn't the name Poker or Fascicle or whatever other magazine excite the same ambitious giddiness that marks the mainstream, with the books on their shelves being the major difference? I feel like there should be radical dis-organizing of the way poetry is disseminated. One that doesn't offer anything. With this conciousness I'm certain I can never participate in the same way again.
Out of and because of this historical tension the new breed won't "position" themselves anywhere. They'll be born of struggle and discontent and BE revolutionary by inception. Perhaps even unrecognizable for many years.
I asked Jon for permission to reprint his comments here (thanks, Jon) because I am very sympathetic to what he says generally, even if I find difficulties with some of his individual points.
My first observation is that the content of his first paragraph paints an overwhelmingly positive picture (except for the part about him no longer editing WWPOH), as I'm assuming he intends it to. It does seem that poetry is gaining more and more of an interested following all over the place. This has to be first and foremost a good thing, doesn't it? I can already hear the counterarguments against naive or exploitative popularization, but any art form that can't bear up under success with mass audiences, and all the perils such success presents, must be revealing some fundamental weakness.
Second, I agree that there is a very destructive form of competition which does indeed "ruin people," and that such competition is rampant in big MFA programs and the corporate publishing world--that is, those sectors that hold out the promise of some kind of material profit, however meager in comparison to that which may be had in other pursuits. Under the heading of "material profit," I am including not only money itself, but luxuries associated with academia and "the writer's life," including things like summers off, institutional privileges, etc. I'm not saying that these things are always bad in and of themselves--just when they become the primary motivation for doing art, to the extent that the art itself takes on the cynical quality of work performed for hire, and to the extent that the artist behaves destructively toward other artists solely for the purpose of securing one's own advancement in the aforementioned goals.
I'm less clear on how blogs and journals might be ruining people, except inasmuch as they are organs of the institutional entities in question (which most blogs, at least, still aren't, though some journals have of course long represented dominant institutions). There is a massive power difference between individual websites/independent journals and larger institutions. One thing that might be helpful here is to rehearse Raymond Williams' distinctions between "dominant," "residual," and "emergent" formations (I brought this up in some posts back in September, but I didn't spend much time defining the terms).
The dominant is that formation which not only controls an overwhelming percentage of total social power, but which does so in such a way that this control is perceived (if at all) by those it most controls as "natural," beyond question or comment. Actually, this bleeds into a definition of hegemony, but hegemony is an inevitable facet of a truly dominant formation.
The residual is what remains of earlier dominant formations that have not been completely effaced by the current one. It typically exists in an unstable relation to the dominant, neither dispensable nor fully assimilable to its interests. For example, fundamentalist Christianity is essential to the workings of the current dominant capitalist ideology of the major US political parties, but is also part of a much older system of practices and values that is not always compatible with the central aims of capitalism.
The emergent is the most slippery of the three categories, because it is the one that by definition does not yet exist in its perfect state. That is, the residual is that formation which has already been fully realized and is now on the wane, the dominant is that which exists now at or near the height of its potency, and the emergent is that whose dimensions cannot yet be completely discerned. For this reason, it is often difficult to tell whether a new tendency or movement really
is emergent in the sense of posing a possible site of resistance to the dominant, or whether it is just some novel innovation on the dominant's part.
In answer, then, to Jon's suggestion that from his point of view my "category 1 doesn't exist," I would say that it is partly by virtue of seeming not to exist that the dominant poetic mainstream maintains its hegemony. "You're soaking in it," as they used to say in that old commercial. It is not a matter of whether the visibly dominant entities of category 1 "influence challenging or progressive poetries"; it is a matter of how those entities are increasingly able to do exactly what Jon says: "looking at category 2 to imitate for credibility." I would simply want to insist that there is a difference between imitations of category 2 and category 2 proper, and to suggest that it is the imitations which are "not defining what's good in poetry but what's cool." Cool is a very powerful ideological tool. Part of what makes cool so seductive is that it is often based on something that begins as an emergent form--that is, something with the potential for resistant semiotic (or even direct material) action. Think Che Guevara T-shirts. For this reason, it is important not to reject out of hand anything that smacks of cool. Cool can be
good. That's why we call it cool in the first place, as in "oh, cool, penguins!" (assuming we like penguins). What we have to learn to develop is the more rigorous skill of being able to tell that which is genuinely cool (or, if you prefer, "good") from category 1 simulacra of cool (or "kewl").
The Poker and/or
Fascicle may excite an "ambitious giddiness" in some would-be contributors, but if so, this points to a serious misconception of the magazines' actual power to confer the sort of prestige being imagined, and accordingly a misdirected fetishization of such prestige. Perhaps publication in these journals might serve some nominally measurable career-building purpose as credits in a long list of other credits, but by far the majority of accredited institutions sponsoring MFA programs and so forth are looking to hire people who have published in pretty much the same recognized mainstream outlets that have been privileged for the past half a century (this would include both book publishers and journals).
This, however, brings me to the level at which I share many of Jon's concerns. As the mainstream learns rapidly that it can use the "cool" associated with independent poetic formations to enhance its own mechanisms of dominance, it threatens to domesticate even those journals and small presses that have been most active in constructing alternatives to dominant practice. Much of this domestication, to be sure, occurs purely through the power of association, and may have little or nothing to do with any conscious complicity on the part of individual editors and poets. In much the same way, although as I've recently argued, the
Legitimate Dangers anthology represents an attempt at a major power grab by mainstream forces, I am fairly certain that the editors themselves do not see it this way. Nor am I--nor is anyone--immune to the subtle and ubiquitous influences of mainstreamification: it occurs in small ways constantly, every time we publish a book with a bar code on the back, or every time we blurb someone who publishes a book with a bar code on the back, or every time we are invited to read in a reading series by someone who has blurbed someone who has published a book with a bar code on the back. I hope no one takes all that
entirely literally, but the point should be clear: the only way to remove ourselves entirely from the machinations of the poetic spectacle would be to go off to a cave somewhere and only write poems with charcoal on the backs of rocks--and even that would be to valorize some romantic myth of primitive purity sponsored by, you guessed it, the dominant poetic mainstream.
That's why it's important to keep fighting for category 2. Without it (or for that matter with it), I guarantee you no heroic category 3 is going to rise up in thirty years from the underbrush. Put another way, category 2
is category 3, and what Jon sees in category 2 as category-1-like is really not category 2 at all but category 1 in category 2 drag. Jon mentions the books on the shelves being the only substantial difference between category 2 and category 1 poets: I don't think that's true, but even if it were, those books are what
matter. If they're not, what on earth are we fighting for in the first place. The fantasy of a "non-category that will define the future," a "new breed" that "won't 'position' themselves anywhere," is a blind alley. There are no non-categories, no positionless positions. If you don't position yourself, someone else will do it for you, and fool you into thinking they haven't.
All of which is to say many things, but among them that it would be a shame if Jon stopped editing for good. There are a lot of journals out there all of a sudden, many of them very good, some of them of mixed potential in their seeming suspension between the worlds of career-promotion and poetry-promotion, and some of them quite shapeless and thus acquiescent to dominant cooptation by default. WWPOH, like
The Poker and
Fascicle and fortunately quite a few others I could name, is one of the good ones, one of the we-need-all-we-can-get ones.